The right winger’s response to Joe Pantoliano and Mad Pride
Posted By atorturedsoul on August 26, 2009
Joe Pantoliano and Mind Freedom speak out about mental illness and the right wingers simply must respond.
Opinions like this tempt me to run as far left as possible. This is yet another indignity and it’s aimed directly at the mentally ill and it’s an outrage.
As posted by Jon Hawkins at http://rightwingnews.com/mt331/2009/08/mental_illness_is_not_a_super.php
Liberalism is like a venereal disease for our culture. It’s painful, irritating, and spreads its stupidity like wildfire. When the mentally ill start buying into liberal concepts like “If it feels good, do it,” “No one can judge you,” and “You’re really a victim,” the the results aren’t pretty:
Imagine if Vincent Van Gogh — an artist who was famously afflicted with mental health issues — had been forcibly injected with an antipsychotic drug like Thorazine. Or if Leonardo Da Vinci’s genius had been affected by antidepressants such as Wellbutrin.
That’s what San Francisco-based music artist Madigan Shive wondered.
“I think often that if DaVinci were alive during our time, would we just dope him up? What would we do?” she asked.
It’s a question being asked by a growing grass roots movement about 8,000 members strong — many of whom are rejecting pharmaceutical solutions for psychiatric conditions and fighting the stigmatization and shame of mental illness.
You’ve heard of Black Pride and Gay Pride. Now make room for Mad Pride.
…Some worry that refusing meds is a dangerous game for people with mental illness, especially after hearing about cases such as the University of North Carolina law student who, in January 1995, gunned down a popular lacrosse student and a McDonald’s manager because he suffered schizophrenic delusions; or the Virginia Tech shooter Seung-hui Cho, who killed 32 people and wounded 25; and, of course, the infamous John Hinckley Jr., who attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and was eventually found not guilty by reason of insanity.
In each incident, people believed to suffer from mental illness were believed to be unmedicated and untreated at the time of their crimes.
But David Oaks, a prominent Mad Pride activist and a leader of the advocacy organization MindFreedom International, agreed with others in the Mad Pride movement who feel stereotyping the mentally ill is a serious mistake.
“The vast majority of people with psychiatric diagnoses,” Oaks said, “including serious psychiatric diagnoses like schizophrenia and psychosis and bipolar — we’re law-abiding, we’re peaceful.”
Oaks said MindFreedom International seeks to work for social change in the mental health system. He stresses that Mad Pride is not anti-medication, but rather it is anti-bullying, and he asserts that it should be a patient’s choice whether or not to accept medication.
…”Most of our members have experienced things like forced drugging,” Oaks said. “We are people who have experienced human rights abuses in the mental health system.”
Oaks’ personal experience propelled his involvement in mental health advocacy. Oaks is a Harvard graduate who was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bi-polar disorder in the 1970s, while still a student at the prestigious university.
“I thought the CIA was making my teeth grow, I thought the TV was personally talking just to me, that the radio had the voice of God,” Oaks recalled.
In my view, a mental illness is essentially a handicap. It’s not your fault if you do have a mental illness, whether it’s caused by nature or nurture. Moreover, it doesn’t make you a loser, dangerous, or mean your life is wasted.
However, it is a handicap, not a super power. People with mental illnesses need to learn how to properly manage their problem, not, in most cases, because they’re dangerous, but because mental problems decrease the quality of their life.
If you’re lying in your bed for a week, too depressed to get up, you basically just wasted seven days of your life. If you’re so agoraphobic that you can’t leave your house, you need to deal with that so that you’re not forced to become a shut-in. If you’re delusional or schizophrenic enough that you think the CIA is making your teeth grow, you’re out of touch with reality to such an extent that you need to be medicated, forcibly if necessary. That’s not because people want to push you around; it’s because you’re a potential danger to yourself and others if you’re that out of it.
Given the number of people in our society who’ve been afflicted with a mental illness of some sort at one time or another, there really should be much less stigma attached to it. But, the flip side of that is that 99.999% of people with mental issues are not the next Vincent Van Gogh. Heck, Vincent Van Gogh might not be the Vincent Van Gogh they think. Perhaps if he didn’t have mental health problems, he would done even more with his life.
Long story short, if you have a mental illness, you don’t need to be ashamed of it, but you do need to deal with it realistically and take the steps necessary to make sure it doesn’t ruin your life.
“When the mentally ill start buying into liberal concepts like ‘If it feels good, do it,’ ‘No one can judge you,’ and ‘You’re really a victim,’…”
You have got to be kidding me. Apparently, it is bad enough to have a mental illness, but to have a mental illness AND be a *Gasp* liberal. It’s an abomination! Since when is asking others not to sit in judgment of you a liberal concept? Are they implying that we should not ask for understanding? That is exactly what I am reading.
“In my view, a mental illness is essentially a handicap. It’s not your fault if you do have a mental illness, whether it’s caused by nature or nurture. Moreover, it doesn’t make you a loser, dangerous, or mean your life is wasted.”
Thanks for clearing that up. For a minute there, I thought you were working your way up to bashing the mentally ill. Whew! What a relief!
“If you’re delusional or schizophrenic enough that you think the CIA is making your teeth grow, you’re out of touch with reality to such an extent that you need to be medicated, forcibly if necessary. That’s not because people want to push you around; it’s because you’re a potential danger to yourself and others if you’re that out of it.”
Do I detect the faint scent of hypocrisy? I believe I do. Forcibly medicate people? I suppose that you also supported forcing members of the armed forces being given experimental drugs. Besides, you’re delusional enough that you believe anyone’s opinion that differs from yours in incorrect yet I am not holding you down and force feeding you a pill or two.
“99.999% of people with mental issues are not the next Vincent Van Gogh. Heck, Vincent Van Gogh might not be the Vincent Van Gogh they think. Perhaps if he didn’t have mental health problems, he would done even more with his life.”
Now we’re getting somewhere. Let’s start informing the world that one of the most intelligent and creative men in history, Vincent Van Gogh, was held back by mental illness. Seriously? Come on. You can’t really expect people to take you seriously, can you? This is absurd.
“Long story short, if you have a mental illness, you don’t need to be ashamed of it, but you do need to deal with it realistically and take the steps necessary to make sure it doesn’t ruin your life.”
Are you worried that I may ruin my life or that I may somehow interfere with yours?
Honestly, it’s absolutely ridiculous and I really don’t see how anyone can take Mr. Hawkins’ offensive statements seriously but I did feel it was worth mentioning.
It’s always nice to hear differing opinions. Fortunately, I rarely subscribe to them.
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“Since when is asking others not to sit in judgment of you a liberal concept?”
I think that’s a question worth considering. Hope this helps:
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/liberal
At any rate, it appears you’ve stumbled on the truth of it, mental illness is a political issue.
Hello! I have dealt with panic disorder and agoraphobia for over fifteen years. I haven’t been able to work for the last six. The movie “Canvas” was a moving depiction of Schizophrenia and its effects on a family. Mr. Pantoliano starred in that film and I understand has worked to bring awareness to mental illness.
I am a male Evangelical Christian and I have seen and experienced the results of stigma and pure ignorance on many different levels. This stigma crosses all areas of society. I don’t believe it is a right or left wing problem but more of a societal problem with extremes on both sides.
I have seen what mental illness can do to people I care about deeply. They are vibrant and full of hope and optimism and then, bang, their world is upside down and they’re searching for a reason to live.
Having read your bio my heart goes out to you as you have been dealt a very difficult “collection” of illnesses. I pray nothing but good things for you.
I came across your blog via a google alert and another article was being featured. How did you get on that alert page? Anyway, if you’re interested in what a Evangelical Christian does on his blog I invite you to pay me a visit. I seek to provide information, encouragement, and hope to those who are suffering with a mental illness. I loathe it when I read of those who minimize our pain. If only they knew… Allan Adams http://www.morethancoping.wordpress.com
I love “Canvas”. It has been on one of the movie channels quite a bit lately.
I never thought of mental illness as a “political” issue, aside from the need for health care reform. Apparently, the right wingers do. It’s offensive.
About Google Alerts: Keywords. Google picks up the keywords used in the articles and it ends up in the alerts.
You might also like “The Soloist” if you have not seen it yet. Excellent and true story with JaimeFox and Robert Downey Jr.
Right now mental health services are sadly being cut at a time when we need them more than ever. New Orleans is an example of this. So many have developed PTSD as a result of Katrina and need help while others are now not able to receive services.
The bottom line is we need people to understand mental illness and not be frightened or think victims are the reason they have issues.
Keep getting the word out and I wish you the best.
The idiot who made the comment about liberals has a handicap. He’s been walking around all of his life without a brain.
I have bipolar II and cannot tolerate most medications. It would make me very angry to have someone telling me I had to take them. I choose to take Lithium because it dulls the paranoia and irritability. It makes my rapid cycling somewhat worse and I am no longer to sit for 12 hours at a time writing. But I weigh the checks and balances and opt to take it because I do have a mind of my own. However, I do not take antidepressants. They make me manic, and I am impossible to reason with when manic. I only go hypomanic otherwise. So there you have it.
I have wanted to see The Soloist ever since I saw an interview with Fox where he talked about his role in the film. I have not yet been able to watch it.
I wholeheartedly agree, Lily. At this point in life, I must take medication or I become suicidal. In the past, I took meds long enough to get things under control and I was able to deal without them for months at a time. My doctor worried, but he supported my decisions and managed to help me regain control when needed. (That’s why I love my doc!) I think it is important for people to have choices in their care and be able to have a say. I want to have a say even when I am not capable of making decisions. That’s why I have a mental health care directive that outlines what is acceptable and what is not. I think everyone should have one. In fact, that is what I will write about today.